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searchPermalink Spencer's FinalBy Ali Eteraz Since I said I was going to let Robert Spencer have the final response, go and check it out. However, as with most debates of this type I do have to respond so with Mr. Spencer's permission I will make a few more points. With respect to the gates of ijtihad being closed, Mr. Spencer merely cites me to a Muslim author -- Ziauddin Sardar -- who believes that the gates of ijtihad were closed. However, this doesn't prove that the gates were closed, only that there is another opinion besides Hallaq's. We already knew that. Irshad Manji also thinks that the gates were closed. Dr. Sherman Jackson and Dr. Muhammad Fadel do not. My point in bringing up the gates discussion was to show that Mr. Spencer himself constantly affirms the existence of Islamic Reform and legal evolution while saying that the gates of ijtihad were closed. He never addressed that inconsistency. Anyway, Mr. Spencer concludes with this:
In the comments section of his site I responded with a question that was posed to Javed Ahmed Ghamidi, one of he most popular Pakistani jurists today:
I found this example in 2 minutes. It's not my fault Mr. Spencer doesn't want to spend the time browsing for such stuff. Here is another jurist, Shehzad Saleem also arguing that jihad theory is dead in Islamic Law:
"Curb oppression and persecution" is analogous to "just war" and "humanitarian intervention." Even we in the U.S. believe in that. With respect to vese 9:29 of the Quran, Dr. Moiz Amjad, another jurist, says this:
Dr. Amjad is saying that the permission to engage in Jihad against unbelievers ended with the death of the Prophet because after his death every future generation of non Muslims and unbelievers were NOT the direct addressees of the Quran. The fact remains that Dr. Spencer didn't find any mainstream jurists today who do prescribe jihad against the unbeliever like I asked him. His sole argument was based on the Reliance of the Traveler, a jurisprudence manual from the 9th century. He must think a lot of this book since he has now mentioned in four different pieces of writings. However, I addressed this pretty conclusively already:
Yet, instead of refuting my reply Mr. Spencer wanted me to provide more evidence.
Mr. Spencer more evidence lies in this: there are no mainstream jurists calling for jihad against unbelievers. No one is citing the Reliance for its propositions on jihad. Who cares if the Reliance exists if it is not cited? When jurists don't cite a book, or follow its prescriptions, Mr. Spencer, that is considered obvious proof of the fact that it carries no weight today. Mr. Spencer, what are you going to say to that? Cite to the Reliance for the fifth time? The Reliance is not a jurist. It is just a book from many centuries ago that sits in the library at al-Azhar. We can keep playing this game all night. Update [2007-3-4 19:37:55 by Ali Eteraz]: But I'm not going to. Related in Chronological Order: Problems With JihadWatch Editorial In Emory University Student Newspaper JihadWatch Director Misrepresents Ali Eteraz Robert Spencer's Inconsistency, Substantive Response Dialogue With JihadWatch Commentator Spencer's Final
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